Frock Flick Free-for-All Spring Forward


You asked for it, so here’s an occasional open thread to bitch about anything tangentially related to history, costume, movies, or TV shows! Or whatever else is on your mind right now. Note that URLs are automatically held for moderation, but most anything else goes as long as you’re not bitchier than we are!

Did you like our April Fool’s joke on Monday? We couldn’t help following up a serious interview last week with a facetious fool this week, heh. We plan to recap both Gentleman Jack and The Spanish Princess when they start, so you can contrast and compare!

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27 Responses

  1. Saraquill

    Any historical costumer youtube recommendations? I have a few favorites, but more is always welcome.

      • Nzie

        I second both of those, and add in Prior Attire. I also watch Karolina Zebrowska and Angela Clayton sometimes.

        • Katie O'Donnell

          I’m a big fan of Karolina Zebrowski! She’s hilarious

  2. wilifred

    I’m hesitant about bringing this up here because, well, the topic is really troubling if you care about historical costume.

    In the final book, Anne sends her oldest son off to war in 1914. He is 22. Anne was 27 when she had her first child, so Anne is 49.

    Anne was born in 1865. She went to Green Gables at age 11, in 1876.

    Puffy sleeves were not in fashion in 1876. Simply heartbreaking.

    • wilifred

      In Anne of Green Gables of course. What I get for not proofing before submitting.

      • Kate D

        Hahaha! Oh no!! But, but… Puffed sleeves!! Maybe in Prince Edward Island fashion was out of sync…? ;)

      • Lynelle

        I had never put it completely together before. I am definitely heartbroken.

    • Heidilea

      I wondered that myself, but many many years ago when I was just a kid.

    • Saraquill

      Wibbeldy-wobbedly timey-wimey?

      Or Montgomery wasn’t thinking of the continuity.

    • tanya2austin

      This has been a pet peeve of mine for ages. LM Montgomery definitely retconned the series when she decided to write Anne of Ingleside and Rilla of Ingleside. I think I complained about it in one of the previous Free-For-Alls! I will also note that besides the clear puffed sleeves anomaly, at Diana’s wedding Anne says that “these short lace sleeves are even prettier,” and while I could see short lace sleeves being appropriate for daytime (wedding) wear in the 1900s, which would be approximately ten years after Anne of Green Gables in the original puffed-sleeves timeline (because Diana gets married at age 21), I can’t picture short lace sleeves being anywhere near correct for 1886, which they would have to be for the revised timeline.

      As further proof of the wibbly-wobbly timeline, compare the various ages of her son Shirley throughout the books. So Montgomery wasn’t above altering the timeline when it suited her.

  3. Sam Marchiony

    I mean, it’s not technically a Frock Flick, but I am dying to know what you guys think of SiX the Musical, which imagines the wives of Henry VII as a girl group. The costumes are… interesting, but it’s also a really fun, feminist spin on the women Henry quite literally fucked over.

    • Trystan L. Bass

      I recently heard about it & totally want to see it! I’m planning a trip to London for later this year & hope to get tickets :)

  4. Susan Pola Staples

    Besides bad costumes, what really bothers me is casting inappropriate actors in roles just bc they’re stars. Jonathan Rhys Meyers as Hank VIII comes to mind. Henry was tall, muscled from military training and red haired.

    Also any actress with a heavy tan as a Renaissance noble. Take that Gabrielle Anwar.

    And changing names to not confuse our puny minds. Mary Tudor La Reine Blanche became Margaret Tudor, the name of her older sister and Queen Dowager of Scotland, grandmother to MoS.


    • Roxana

      Changing the Four Marie’s names to fierce, catwalky 21st c. Names at least told you what to expect from Reign. And was good for a laugh.

  5. Rori

    I know Japanese manga aren’t any of you guys cup of tea, but if you do attempt to read one, i highly recommend Kaoru Mori’s manga. Her manga “Emma” and “A Bride’s Story” are so beautifully well made.

    It has everything that you would love: heartwarming stories that are more romance and character driven, some awesome female characters, and especially the art! I’m not sure how historically accurate the clothes in her manga are, but they are beautifully well-drawn.

    • PrairieSquid

      Is that ‘Victorian Romance Emma?’ Because I ABSOLUTELY love it, and the anime they made was quite good as well!

      • Roxana

        So not Austen’s Emma.which is pre Victorian by a good bit.

  6. Brandy Loutherback

    I am here for all The Spanish Princess WTFuckery! On a lighter note did anyone catch Traitors on Netflix, a show about spies in 1946?

    • Trystan L. Bass

      Dude! Traitors was on our Upcoming Movies List but IMDB didn’t have a US date & I didn’t see it on any list of ‘coming soon on Netflix.’ UGH THIS IS WHY MY JOB IS SO HARD.

      • PrairieSquid

        Trystan, it’s on Netflix in the US right now…I just started watching it last night! It’s very interesting, but I’m not sure how the costumes hold up^.^

  7. LE

    Has anyone watched the French film return of the hero? I was originally hesitant because the dress on the thumbnail seemed very prom-y to me but I started watching it on Kanopy and seems like that was an anomaly.

  8. MoHub

    Have you all seen the ads for Missing Link? The costumes look pretty good for an animated film.

  9. Jasmine H

    Hi guys!
    First off, I just wanted to thank you guys because you were one of the blogs that I found online that really helped me in my research of historical clothing. But I was just wondering (this is probably a stupid question) but have you guys ever considered reviewing historical animated films at all? Thanks

  10. Roxana

    You know I can live with inaccurate costumes if they’re at least pretty but so often they are hilariously hideous as well as inaccurate these days. Philippa Gregory adaptations seem especially prone to seriously weird and ugly as well as hopelessly wrong.