22 thoughts on “Freaky Friday: Five Things About Lizzie (2018)

  1. I have seen only two: the Liz Montgomery and the Christina Ricci, both of which have their merits and their drawbacks. I give the edge to the Ricci for content, but take point off for the completely fabricated presence of Pinkerton agent Siringa.

  2. Long ago, I read that Lizzie’s hair wasn’t wet. If she’d done it, there would have been blood all over her hair. Long hair, and in those days, it took about a day to dry. The way events happened, her hair wouldn’t have had time to dry. So.

    Has anyone else read that?

    1. No, but it’s a legitimate point. Frankly this case is the damnedest thing. How could anybody but Lizzie have done it? Yet how did she manage it?

    2. She may have covered her hair, knowing she wouldn’t have time to wash it should it get blood on (which is extremely likely) she’s really the only one in my mind who could have done it.

      1. That’s a really good theory, and it may well be what happened, but we still don’t know for sure. Lizzie did seem to have the most motive, with the threat of being cut out of her father’s will, but we still can’t be 100% certain that it was only Lizzie. She may have had help. She does seem like the only possible culprit, sure, but maybe she did it without getting her hands dirty. Either way, she was most likely the one orchestrating it.

  3. I’d love to see a full body picture of that spotted dress. I sometimes joke that I have a Yayoi Kusama level fondness for polka dots.

  4. Lizzie was quite the fashionista herself. Her father gave her a large dress allowance and a trip to Europe, which he could totally afford. Trying to keep Lizzie happy seems to have been a preoccupation of his. What he wouldn’t do was move to a better house and entertain Fall River society which is what Lizzie really wanted.

    1. As I recall, Lizzie’s father bought off a shopkeeper after he caught Lizzie shoplifting in his store in order to keep his daughter from being arrested.

      1. Lizzie was a girl with problems. Her family seems to have been frightened of what she might do next. Author Victoria Lincoln, also of Fall River, originated the petit mal theory. She may have been right that Lizzie was suffering from some kind of disorder. She seems to have been generally regarded as peculiar.
        I sometimes wonder if Lizzie herself wasn’t sure if she’d done it or not.

      2. It was well known around Fall River, that if Lizzie stole something, write it down, and he would pay for it. He was always keen to make sure, that not even the barest hint of scandal, was tied to him.

    2. Andrew was from old Yankee stock, and living on “the Hill was a waste of money as far as he was concerned, I doubt very much his purchase of the 2nd street house was given much thought toward his growing daughters, he no doubt purchased the house, because he considered it practical, and it was close to his business interests. And completely unrelated, Lizzie’s favorite flowers were pansies, and Chloe actually resembles the historical Lizzie

  5. In the traditional language of flowers, pansy means “hearts ease” – tangential but interesting?

  6. Of all the movie crews that came through Savannah the past 5 years I lived there, this was everyone’s favorite. So nice and so many locals got roles.

  7. I’m not really a fan of this trend of ascribing queer identities to dead historical figures who can’t verify the veracity of that choice. And in this case, Lizzie had motive and opportunity enough without throwing in a gay affair with the Irish maid (whom all evidence shows Lizzie treated with little more than contempt – she didn’t even call her by her correct name most of the time).

    1. I agree with you about the sometimes downright random assertion of queer tendencies to historical figures. However in fairness to the producers it’s even suggested by others that Bridget lied for Lizzie. And the latter did have a friendship with an actress that raised eyebrows.

    2. But what would verify a queer identity, sans a seance? (fair disclosure: I’m queer) Queerness often wasn’t recorded or talked about in the same way, and there’s a long history of scholars ignoring evidence of queerness (see Bryon, Emily Dickinson, etc., especially in figures who we would call bi/pansexual today). I don’t see any harm in it—it’s hardly besmirching their reputation. Besides, plenty of films have invented straight relationships and those get far fewer complaints.

      1. I think the real problem is when there actually isn’t any evidence, as in this case. Bridget may have lied for ‘Miss Lizzie’ for all kinds of reasons. And Lizzie’s later friendship witht actress was far from establishing her preferences

        1. But is there evidence she was straight? No. Yet people are usually okay with straight depictions of historical figures even when their actual sexuality isn’t known at all. I hardly think that’s fair. There are so little period films with queer characters, just let us have this one. Especially since there are no records of what her actual sexuality was so this interpretation is as good as any.

          1. Agreed! No one is being damaged by a queer imagining of Lizzie Borden’s life, least of all her (she already has a reputation for being a murder). And I’d argue that most depictions of real people are essentially fiction, anyway, especially one that explores an event that’s not fully understood.

            It’s one thing to produce a biopic of someone who’s alive and well and imagine their sexuality differently than reality, or to do so for someone who we have well-documented evidence of heterosexuality for, but otherwise queer stories hurt no one. We’ve been erased plenty.

            1. It’s true we have no evidence of Lizzie’s ever being sexually active with anybody of any gender. Given the era that’s not surprising. I suppose there’s no harm in creating fictional relationships. As opposed to making historical claims on no or misunderstood evidence.

            2. Lizzie’s homosexuality, is based on conjecture, she was never very interested in men, or sought their company, according to some nurses who took care of her while she was hospitalized, called her mannerisms, “Quite masculine” And there was a letter in which she wrote the lines “I dreamed of you the other night, but I do not dare to put my dreams, on paper.”

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