One of the things I find interesting is looking at our site stats here at Frock Flicks … and most entertaining is our search terms. Meaning, people are searching for these things, and they’ve hit on our site as a possible source. Most of them are what you’d expect: “poldark 1975,” “outlander costumes,” “anne boleyn.” But some of them are HIGH-larious, to me anyway, and I thought — let’s pull out some of the good ones, and help that searcher on their way! (AKA I’ve always wanted to write an advice column).
So here, in no particular order, your searches and our responses:
frock sex / sex in frock
So this is kind of generic — by “frock,” do you mean any old dress? Or do you mean a big fluffy fancy dress? Or do you mean a historical dress? If it’s the latter, read on…
Well if you’re talking historical costume sex, then sure, we’ve got some recommendations for you (many of which, but not all, discussed in our Top 10 Historical Costume Movie Sex Scenes post):
- Henri IV has one extended sex scene. It’s cheeseball, angry sex with slapping and biting and all that stuff.
- Lady Chatterley’s Lover (2015) promises to be about sex, but isn’t, really. I’d check out the 1993 version instead, which has shagging all OVER the place. Plus Sean Bean. Yum.
- There’s a tender sex scene at the end of A Matador’s Mistress, but you’ll have fallen asleep by the time you get there.
- Original Sin, baby. Make sure you get the unrated version. You’re welcome.
- Also? Queen Margot. And you’re in luck, because if want, you can watch the sex scene and then drop out before all the massacring.
- Rome is another one for some good shagging scenes, although it’s a long series, so if you’re only there for the smut, it’s going to take you a while.
Getting even more specific…
I’m not sure if you mean a cage crinoline, aka hoop skirt (1850s-60s), or just the multiple petticoats that were also called crinoline (1840s-50s). Either way, sure, here’s some recommendations for you:
- In Secret has about 30 minutes of hot sex (bookended by a whole lot of boring-ness), some of which is IN (mid-Victorian) clothes.
- You’d probably also like Angels and Insects, which has really great, bug-inspired Victorian costumes, and some pretty explicit sex scenes (plus bonus incest!).
gross hygiene facts
I don’t know how you prefer your grooming, but ours is lovely, thank you. Move along.
did people at versailles really pee in the halls
Only on RARE occasions. They were most likely to use a latrine, and failing that, go outside and pee against a wall. Stories of people peeing on the floors come from a few unusual events in which the latrines weren’t working.
vintage picture of woman on chamberpot urinating
We live to serve!
is reign historically correct
…this show doesn’t make any claims to historical accuracy. Go read the Wikipedia entry — the producers, actors, and designers all talk about making a sexy, fantasy, entertainment show with a history setting. They’re doing that. At least nobody is claiming to do something historically accurate when it’s clearly not.
how did tudor women poop in those dresses
The same way you do? Okay, so yeah, that’s a big skirt. If you’re using a chamber pot, then you could actually just squat over it and let your skirt hang around (see The Piano for a good example of this, granted from the mid-19th century). If you’re using a latrine — AND YES THEY VERY MUCH EXISTED — then it would be a similar situation to wearing a wedding dress and sitting on a toilet. I call it “hoicking” — grabbing all that fabric and bunching it up around your waist and pulling it forward. Okay, Tudor women may have had to deal with a farthingale (hoop). But those collapse, so you can grab it along with your skirts and do the same — in fact, it kind of makes it easier, because you can cradle all your skirts inside your hoop as you lift it. (God, you people are so scatalogical!)
cinderella butt disney
This seems like a strange fetish, but I’m sure you can probably find it out there in the wilds of the Internet. The best we can do for you is point you to some pictures/discussion of butt bows and cat butts.
stories of crossdressing in victorian dresses
We can help with this one! There’s a lot of cross-dressing in Victorian-era film. The only hitch is it’s usually women dressing as men; there’s not a lot of men dressing as women (except as comedy). Both George Sand (Impromptu) and Queen Christina of Sweden (The Girl King) were women who were known for wearing men’s attire. The two leads in Tipping the Velvet play male roles in men’s costumes (although with a feminized look) in vaudeville shows, and one of them goes on to do a bit of passing-as-a-man in real life. We haven’t reviewed it yet, but Albert Nobbs (starring Glenn Close as a woman who lived as a very convincing man for years in the late 19th century) looks like it would be totally up your alley.
In terms of men dressing as women, one of the few I can think of that actually takes things seriously is Stage Beauty, set in the 17th century when only men were allowed on stage (and so played female parts). There’s some good consideration of how one might get lost in such roles. The upcoming series Versailles looks like it’s going to include multiple scenes of King Louis XIV’s brother, who was gay and enjoyed dressing as a woman (and looks quite hot from the preview images I’ve seen). Finally, there’s a quick scene where a male character cross-dresses in Elizabeth, but it’s definitely portrayed as icky and weird.
rufus sewell glass eye
Not true, and we tried to clear that up our Man Candy Monday post on him. He does have a lazy eye in his pretty, pretty face.
french queen dresses in renaisance [sic] period which show breast
I guess you’re thinking of the 16th-century French trend of being painted topless, like this one of Gabrielle d’Estrées and one of her sisters (look! nipple tweaking is period!):
There are some eighteenth-century images suggesting that ladies may have gotten their nips out … but I’m still very confused about whether this ever happened in real life (you don’t see it in portraiture, but then why is it in fashion plates?).
I can’t think of any films that have done these free-floating-nipple dresses. There can certainly be a lot of cleavage in 16th-century costume, so as long as you’re cool with no-nips, I’d check out The Tudors, Queen Margot, Dangerous Beauty, and The Other Boleyn Girl.
were there lice at versailles
Pre-modern-day chemicals? Undoubtedly. As there would have been everywhere else, during every other period. (I’m suddenly picturing a film that’s about lice. At Versailles. Like a flea circus, but with lice. This could be genius.)
ass in frock
Well pretty much all people-in-frocks have got asses under there. I don’t know if it hits your fetish, but if you’re into butts, you’d probably like the bustle era. Here’s some suggestions:
- Scarlett — there’s some definite cheese, but the 1870s costumes are AMAZE-BALLS.
- Bram Stoker’s Dracula is ostensibly set in the 1890s, but costumed in the 1880s — the height of the bustle era.
- Daniel Deronda is set in this era, and it’s one of my absolute favorites for stunning gowns.
- The Buccaneers. Fabulous bustle gown fiesta.
- You really can’t go wrong with The Age of Innocence — probably the zenith of bustle-era movie costumes.
On the other hand, if you’re looking for people looking like ass in frocks, then I’d suggest checking out Point of Honor for some truly dire, shitastic numbers; The Count of Monte Cristo (1975) for 1970s nylon lace; and pretty much everything in this round-up of shitty 1980s TV movies, aka where polyester goes to die.
“truly historically accurate”
Oh god, that’s too existential. What defines “truly” historically accurate? Only using wool from literal 16th-century sheep, spun and woven by literal 16th-century people, and sewn by an actual 16th-century tailor? Or just making/wearing clothing as was done in the past? Sure, we can recommend some films where the costumes are closer to historically accurate looking:
- Wolf Hall is one of the few productions that I know of that actually tried to make the clothes as they would have been made in the period.
- Dangerous Liaisons is pretty close to perfect for 18th century.
- Little Women did a great job with the mid-19th century.
- Master and Commander was faaaabulous to my uneducated-about-uniforms eye, although there’s only boys to look at.
- Wives and Daughters really needs to be resurfaced for doing such a great job with the 1830s. I’ll be doing a TBT on it one of these days!
However, I know from experience that any one of those productions probably has a glaring error in an area that we know nothing about. Trust me, someone out there is dying over the candles, or the wainscoting, or the horse’s bridles, or the dancing…
how long did glenda jackson take to dress in queen eliz
Good lord. I started to look this up for you, then got annoyed. There are biographies of Glenda Jackson out there, certainly. I can’t seem to find any books specifically on the making of Elizabeth R, but this book — Royal Portraits in Hollywood: Filming the Lives of Queens — seems like it covers the production.
gene wilder comb over
He sure rocked it, didn’t he?
kate winslet 2015 hot
Well I think she’s hot in any year! But if you’re being picky, then yeah, she’s pretty gorgeous in The Dressmaker.
gross habits of british women back then in history
So, “back then” is an incredibly unspecific time period. Do you mean yesterday? 3000 BCE? I’m guessing they may have been gross around 3000 BCE, but then it’s all relative — they’d probably think we were disgusting. Sadly, except for all you who seem to think people shit in the corner back in the day, the best I can do is refer you to Pride & Prejudice & Pigs for some bad table manners and fans who think that pointing out how the movie falls SO far short of Austen is somehow unreasonable.
Ooo, I just thought of one more! She’s not British, but Madame du Barry BURPS in Marie Antoinette (2006).
brosnan louis xiv historicall [sic] correct?
Again, I say: AAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHASDLK; NF;ALSDKNF;ALKSDNF;LAKSDNF; LAKSDNF;LAKSDNF;LAKSDNF;ALKSDNF; LAKSNDF;LAKSDNF;LAKSDNFL;AK
dirtiest porn slaves dressed in 18th century clothing
Ooo, now that’s specific! I can point you to some movies depicting slavery in the 18th century, but I don’t think they’re going to be actual porn, so you may be disappointed. Jefferson in Paris has cleaned-up 18th-century slaves, but The Book of Negroes will probably be more up your alley, being as it is about the horrible realities of slavery.
eighteenth century gowns back lacing
Oh, you mean the bane of my existence? Look, kids. For most of the 18th century, what we think of as the “dress” had a big fat opening down the center front that was then filled in (visually) with a stomacher and petticoat. There’s no possible reason to close one of these gowns in back, because IT’S ALREADY OPEN IN FRONT. They would occasionally lace or hook-and-eye these side front openings, but more frequently they’d pin them down or baste them in place.
Let’s let the beautifully costumed Aristocrats (1999) explain things:
Later in the century, yes, you get dresses where the bodice is closed in front. But after 80-100 years of front-opening dresses, nobody’s jumping up to start having dresses open and close in the back. For one thing, the skirts are still open in front. For another, it wasn’t the way they did things for a century, so it wouldn’t make any sense. Back closures really don’t happen until the Regency era, when about half the dresses closed in front and the other in back.
You want back-lacing, please to be seeing many of the styles of the Renaissance, the 17th century, and the 19th century, KTHNXBI.
woman wearing big hats to protect from poop in 1800s
First, you’re thinking of the 18th century (aka 1700s). And second, that’s a myth. And third, the myth is that they carried parasols as poop-protectors. And fourth, MYTH MYTH MYTH.
did scottish wear kilts everyday basis
Thus, Angus and Rupert’s kilts looking more than a little weather-beaten is absolutely accurate. More so is Dougal’s wearing of “trews” or trousers. There is rather a lot of debate within Scottish dress studies about which was more popular, the kilt or the trews.
did pirates wear hoods
My first thought when seeing “hoods” is in the 15th/16th-century female headgear sense, which I doubt is what you’re thinking. But I’m not sure what you are thinking. Like, headsman’s hoods? Modern-day hoodies? Is this some kind of Assassin’s Creed thing? Help me out here!
why do they show henry 8 with a turkey leg they were not in the old world yet?
Welcome to the Renaissance Faire. (Side note, I heard a podcast where they were trying to say that turkey legs were a Disneyland thing. I refuse to believe this.)
sound of musicnwigs
Do wigs have a sound? Are there wigs with built-in music? Because if so, I want to know about it!
wtf did they do to pride and prejudice
Depending on which production you’re referring to, yeah, we’ve asked ourselves this question many, many times. If you’re thinking of the 1940 Greer Garson/Laurence Olivier version, then they dipped all the costumes in LSD before putting them on the actors.
If you’re thinking of the 2005 Keira Knightley/Mathew MacFadyen version, then they rewrote the dialogue to be understandable by a 5-year-old and made all of the costumes from sackcloth, ashes, and sadness.
what is the name of the headbands worn on magnificent century
Oh god. I think you mean this travesty:
In which case, they are trying for a European-style French hood (were those worn in the Ottoman Empire? I have no idea), but failing miserably.
davincis demons is bad
You said it, baby.
alan rickman hug
We want to hug him too!
i was surprised at the very georgian dresses in war and peace
I’m not sure what you mean by “georgian” — as in from the country of Georgia? Is there some regional fashion reference in War & Peace‘s costumes that we missed? Or do you mean 18th century? War & Peace is supposed to be set around 1805ish to 1812, but if you’re talking about the recent 2016 version, many of the women’s costumes are more early 1910s.
reign vs tudors-which is better
Is “better” really the appropriate word here? Nonetheless, we sort of asked our readers this very same question (okay, we phrased it, essentially, as “which sucks more”) and our readers very much chose Reign. So much so that we were forced to video-cast ourselves watching two (three? I’ve blocked it out) episodes. You can watch the video, too, and see what two (three?) hours of Coachella couture dresses does to a historical costume nerd.
does rickman dress as a turd in any film
Keep doing your weird searches, people. It’s keeping me very entertained!